Dude wrote:
RE: Shoutout
I'm there, 100%
I know you're there, as you have your ticket, but I'm trying to find out who is still thinking about attending and may be using generics.

Dude wrote:
RE: Scenarios
I'm a little confused about the VPs for each scenario. Is an optimal victory supposed to be roughly 50 VPs? The greatest scenario ever gives only 30, tops. Is the winner of the tournament the player with the most VPs? Or the greatest total margin of victory? I don't want one scenario to be worth less than others.

In Lady and the Tigress, I used as the positive and negative VP the 20% of army cost, per the civilian rules. For Elixir the 10 VPs, positive and negative seemed about right. But because there are no negative VPs for Greatest Ever, the maximum of 30 VPs didn't seem to out of line. Is there any consensus on making the capture of the single obejective worth 40 VPs?

Victory points will be used to determine winners, but the ratio of surviving units will break ties.

i'm a definite maybe for a generic ticket. that's the best i can do as of today.

also:
Elixir of Life: if a model carrying a bottle is attacked with E/M (or another weapon
that forces the model to make a BTS save), i assume the bottle does not have
to worry about it?

Correct bottles are affected by physical damage only, but they can be broken if the BTS based attack causes them to be dropped by the target.

The Coca-Cola mission is INSPIRED!! How the HELL did the EI get ahold of the 1970s ads for Coke?

Due to unemployment I must decline going.

i think the '3rd party' needs to be more specific for the tigress scenario. is there
going to be a moderator (not of the nomad nation) going to each table to write down
which is which?

The particulars will determined for each board while I'm setting them up. I'll have notes for each board. After set up I will tell each board which direction the figures are headed for, and once base-to-base contact is made with either figure, it will be revealed which figure is which, Concubine or Doppleganger.

I used "3rd party" if people wanted to play the scenarios outside of the tournament. Of course I'm the moderator, and I'm not playing in the tournament.

aha, got it. thanks for clarification.

more questions

Scenario 1:
-50 vp for killing or bringing harm to the concubine
What exactly is bringing harm? Causing a wound? What if you doctor the concubine?
Also, what about the rules regarding using civvies as a human shield? How will that be judged?
Is the tigress equipped with a knife?

Scenario 2:
"If all six bottles are damaged, additional bottles can be dispensed"
It's not necessary for all bottles to be damaged, is it? If you're at the machine can you get another one, or do you need to hunt down your enemy and break his?

Scenario 3:
I don't like that this scenario is limited to 30 VPs. Can we add 10 to each condition (30 for objective, 20 for reducing enemy to half strength) and add a 20 VP penalty for being at half strength? That would make it fit better with the other scenarios.

Ok, Panzerkunst and I play tested the first two scenarios.

Scenario #1.
If someone harms the Concubine, game over. If she's dead, no possibility of positive VPs, the player that didn't harm her can get completely annihilated and still win the game. ???

VP restructure (scale however):
-1 VP bringing harm to the concubine
-1 VP each player if the concubine escapes
+0.5 VP taking her cube or keeping her in possession
+2 VP for the concubine
+1 VP for killing the bodygaurd
+1 VP for sending your opponent in retreat

This way, if you bring harm to the concubine (which Panzer did because she impetuously ran into a mine) you can recover her cube, force your opponent into retreat, stay out of retreat and still win the game. Its a tall order but better than the current scenario.

Also, consider making the Concubine Neutral until attacked or the bodyguard is killed, then she becomes hostile. I spent 2 full rounds of orders trying to finesse these two.
If the concubine is in BtB with another model and not synced, I gather the bodyguard will act impetuously TOWARD the model in BtB and CC?
Also, what does the concubine do for her Impetuous order if she starts in BtB? Does she CC or try to disengage or do the two act simultaneously?
This makes for a REAL hard CC vs the bodyguard since you're not gonna CC the concubine and the Bodyguard witll be at +3CC with I-Khol Lv3. Yikes.

Also, anyone with stun ammo is gonna have an easy time with this scenario.
PanO players rejoice.

Scenario #2:
There is no incentive to go after the bottles. You'd wait for your opponent to pick one up, shoot him and let him break a bottle, and then NOT go after any bottles. You win by virtue that you're not negative VPs.
Consider also, that the bottles need not be brought to the deployment zone, but just that you have them at game's end. If you go into retreat, you'll be carrying these back there anyway.

Plus, its VERY order intensive to get bottles and how is it possible to pick up multiple bottles with a single order?

Consider making getting a bottle a short skill. Does this reveal camo troops (we reasoned yes, because placing a mine reveals). The briefcase: plenty more orders needed here. Consider the following: after all deployment, both players nominate a model in their deployment zone to start off with the briefcase.

Impetuous doesn't make you stupid. You don't have to run into suppressive fire or mines (SF I know for a fact, but mines should be in there). Waitaminute... I suppose a camo marker isn't a mine until it blasts you in the face. That complicates matters.

I like the VP for killing the bodyguard. That way if you run into BtB and meet a killer instead of a concubine you have a chance to turn your lemons into lemonade.

Edit:
Maybe count stun ammo as bringing harm to the concubine? It's a bit of a stretch...

impetuous does make you kinda stupid, dude. if there's a model on the other side of
a mine, my monk must run toward that model. whether the mine is discovered or
still a camo marker.

both of these scenarios unfortunately encourage camping, letting the other player do
all the work and put himself in harm's way, then mopping up afterwards.

and the vp distribution throughout all 3 scenarios has me utterly baffled.

magno's proposals on the concubine seem a step in the right direction but i'm just
not sure what to do about the coke one to make it viable.