Ok, here is a situation that came up last week while playing. The scenario we were playing entailed entering a sealed base, identifying the bodies inside and then escaping with the data once the correct body was found. The doors to the base were sealed, they could be hacked (BTS -3) or blown up (arm 5 str 2, needed DA or EXP). One player was pointing out that the shortest distance for his dratzurai was through the base (one door was opened already by his hacker) even though one of the doors he would have needed to use was still sealed, his hacker was standing next to it. His hacker never opened this door and used this tactic again later on as well.

So the question is, does this seem right to be able to herd your impetuous troops by opening or not doors? Or should they have gone the longer way around?

The ruling for impetuous is that you have to take the most direct/shortest route to an enemy or the enemy's territory.

"When engaged in an Impetuous Order, the miniature must move directly towards the closest enemy figure (The one that can be reached in the shortest time possible) in any direction, even if he is not in LOF but the miniature is aware of its presence. If there is no enemy figure the miniature is aware of, then he must always move towards enemy territory, never withdrawing. In an Impetuous Order, Markers are not considered enemy models."

I would judge a locked door the Impetuous troop cannot open an impassable obstacle. One he will have to move around to get to the closest enemy. The path to the door may be the shortest way. However if the Hacker never opens the door it is not. Impetuous demands you use all your first MOV value, and if you cannot do anything else you use your second. Unless he spent orders to cancel the Impetuous order I would declare the troop would have to take another route.

It depends on what else he was doing with the Daturazi. If he parked him there and burned orders to keep the Daturazi there that is a legit call on his part if the player just kept the Daturazi parked there without spending the orders then no, that is not a legal move.

he never parked them (it was a pretty big complex of buildings and doors), he needed to move them a full 8 inches and didn't stop for the door, but short of it. They he opened a second door and led them off that way towards other enemies that would be much quicker to get through provided the door was subsequently opened.

The Impetus troops must try to close to the enemy if the door is in their way they should try to open it.

PsychoticStorm wrote:
The Impetus troops must try to close to the enemy if the door is in their way they should try to open it.

You needed a hacker or an explosive/DA weapon to damage the structure and they had neither...

Just because you can't damage it doesn't mean you can't bang on it in frustration, berzerked people tend to do things like that.

impetuous doesn't mean haven't brains? I think, if they have an idea to escape mines, suppression fire etc, they have a right to open the door or just to try to open it. the person is thirsty to blood and wants to open it, whether it locked, blocked or unlocked. I think he should try again and again in hope that'll break. Ahrrrr

This details are quite open in the rules... but...

They should BLAST the Door! They should kick the door down, open fire to the padlock to see if that works, do whatever it takes to come trough...
...or find the faster way around.

Here's the real question: is it possible for the impetuous troop to get through that door?

If not, then the closest enemy figure may not be the guy on the other side of the door. A new route to that guy would have to be traced, and that could be a long way around. Another enemy, farther away as the crow flies but much easier to get to, would be the target.

If it's possible to get through the door then he should have to try. Remember, impetuous means reckless not stupid.

So, in this scenario then,if the first Impetuous MOV action takes the figure close to the door, he can spend the next action shooting at it (ARM5, STR2). He then has his own Order he could spend attempting to attack the door furtter or simply move off towards another enemy. Next turn if not closer to a enemy he can attack he might decide to come back and have another try?

Rationalising it; the wild eyed trooper rushes towards the enemy hiding behind the door; unloads a magazine at the door and then if he doesn't get through the door quickly in frustration rushes off to find a juicier taraget....

I suppose the question you need to ask yourself is "does that unit have any chance of getting through the door?" If no, then going through the door is not the most direct route and it would go another way. If yes, then they would make their first full move towards the door and perhaps use their second order to open it?